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exactly where it was when president obama took office. there was only a net gain of 114,000 jobs created last month. too low for sustained unemployment reduction. so something for both sides to like. the president has to be thrilled about this jobs numbers, though. it's a game changer unless it's not. the president is the out on the trail pushing it. >> as a nation we are moving forward again. we're moving forward. more people are getting jobs. now, every month reminds us that we've still got too many of our friends and neighbors looking for work. today's news certainly is not an excuse to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> my friends, whenever fall comes the leaves turn pretty colors and the jobs numbers bring in our dynamic duo, peter and jared. how are you my wonky friends? >> we're wonking along. >> we're pretty wonky. >> do you think that wonk spelled backwards is know? >> excellent. you just blew my mind. >> as is k-n-o-w. were you trying to
exactly where it was when president obama took office. there was only a net gain of 114,000 jobs created last month. too low for sustained unemployment reduction. so something for both sides to like. the president has to be thrilled about this jobs numbers, though. it's a game changer unless it's not. the president is the out on the trail pushing it. >> as a nation we are moving forward again. we're moving forward. more people are getting jobs. now, every month reminds us that we've still...
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obama, or romney? i won't embarrass you on wednesday if you're wrong. >> my guess is it will be dead even. >> thank you, steve, villa skype and chris. president obama up by 11 points in key swing states. the latest battleground map. plus, why a "new york times" article says as iowa goes, so may romney's chances of winning the white house. steve will return with that beautiful shot villa skype. in the next few hours, elizabeth warren and scott brown are going to face off again, second debate for them. and it comes as a new poll is out showing a mass shift in massachusetts. and joip our conversation on twitter. you can find us @tamronhall and @newsnation. this is my song pick of the day. [ male announcer ] your mouth is cleanest after a dentist visit. ♪ but between check-ups, it goes through a lot. ♪ tartar builds and that feeling fades. with new listerine® ultraclean™, you can keep it dentist clean. it's the only mouthwash with proven tartar control and new everfresh™ technology for a powerful
obama, or romney? i won't embarrass you on wednesday if you're wrong. >> my guess is it will be dead even. >> thank you, steve, villa skype and chris. president obama up by 11 points in key swing states. the latest battleground map. plus, why a "new york times" article says as iowa goes, so may romney's chances of winning the white house. steve will return with that beautiful shot villa skype. in the next few hours, elizabeth warren and scott brown are going to face off...
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jovi is busy this week doing performances to support president obama. he has two appearances in iowa on friday. las vegas on saturday and on sunday he's going to perform at an obama fund raiser with stevie wonder and katie peri. this always sells. the web side bat lip reading is choosing paul ryan for its next victim after previous satires of president obama and mitt romney. they reworked a ryan video substituting different bizarre words as only bad lip reading could do. take a listen. >> i went into a starbucks building and everyone started collapsing. and i went to steve-o. he said he slipped into the future. he said ask about the special because it's doughnut day. >> that will never get old. that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. >>> and now here's your "first look" at how wall street will kick off the day. the dow closed at 13,482 after losing 32 points yesterday. the s&p was up a point and the nasdaq gained six. taking a look at overseas trading this morning, in tokyo, the nikkei fell 39 points but in hong kong, the hang seng added 47. >>>
jovi is busy this week doing performances to support president obama. he has two appearances in iowa on friday. las vegas on saturday and on sunday he's going to perform at an obama fund raiser with stevie wonder and katie peri. this always sells. the web side bat lip reading is choosing paul ryan for its next victim after previous satires of president obama and mitt romney. they reworked a ryan video substituting different bizarre words as only bad lip reading could do. take a listen. >>...
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the heart of romney's argument against obama is obama hasn't helped the economy. ohio is a state it is doing better than the national of a range the auto bailout has a practical effect on people's lives, know people working in auto plant, suppliers of auto plant and the natural gas boom, a little beneath the radar has helped the unemployment rate in ohio. that is has resulted in obama dog better nationally better than nationalism people talking about the possibility romney could pull out of ohio and still win. i think that's very difficult to envision. if romney loses ohio, in particular if ohio is long gone, obama is going to win you can the votes aren't there else where to make up for the loss of those 18 electoral votes. >> nate, i want to talk about you, talk about you for a second? >> if you really want. >> you are the political blogging star of 2012. you are the hot new guy that all the smart kids want to read and talk about and listen to. how does that feel to be the cool new guy on the block? >> you know, i don't think i'm that cool, actually. for one, i'm
the heart of romney's argument against obama is obama hasn't helped the economy. ohio is a state it is doing better than the national of a range the auto bailout has a practical effect on people's lives, know people working in auto plant, suppliers of auto plant and the natural gas boom, a little beneath the radar has helped the unemployment rate in ohio. that is has resulted in obama dog better nationally better than nationalism people talking about the possibility romney could pull out of...
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whatever obama's posture is he tries to maneuver into a position to say obama is weak, obama is jimmy carter about because when you're the republican it's 1979 the democratic president is always jimmy carter. the perfect example how he handled libya. when the libya thing started a year and a half ago, the first response from mitt romney, when obama agreed to the mission, the first response from mitt romney was, too late, and this isn't enough. he criticized him. weaknessp. he wouldn't address it. ducking reporters. then he starts warning couple months later, this mission, this is too broad. now mission creep. we're losing sight of what we need to be doing. he even starts suggesting do we even know if it's a good idea to be taking gadhafi out. then gadhafi is out. gadhafi's gone. then romney says you know what, the world celebrates the ouster. he's just constantly changing and constantly shifting and responding to where obama is. trying to create this character of obama as the weak jimmy carter guy. i think at the end -- you just don't have anything to say. there's a great debate we co
whatever obama's posture is he tries to maneuver into a position to say obama is weak, obama is jimmy carter about because when you're the republican it's 1979 the democratic president is always jimmy carter. the perfect example how he handled libya. when the libya thing started a year and a half ago, the first response from mitt romney, when obama agreed to the mission, the first response from mitt romney was, too late, and this isn't enough. he criticized him. weaknessp. he wouldn't address...
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obama is likability. if he is seen attacking people with zingers, which are completely unprofessional, completely unpresidential, i mean, this sort of street fight combative thing, that's not where he wants to be. i was talking to martin bashir before the show. he doesn't want to do that, and his entire life is wrapped around that, about not being combative in that way. he doesn't want to do that. that's his entire life wrapped around that. i mean, i also saw, you know, a guy who is leading. the likability is more important than winning this debate. i know i'm winning this thing. it's this dynamic we've seen a lot in las vegas or perhaps atlantic city when we get a champion and challenger. the challenger has nothing to lose and goes nuts and flings punches everywhere. what does he have to lose? i don't need to mix it up with you. i'm going it to win on points and layback. sometimes that strategy wins and sometimes it doesn't. >> it's always frustrating if you're a fan to watch it fully. >> it's bizarre. >
obama is likability. if he is seen attacking people with zingers, which are completely unprofessional, completely unpresidential, i mean, this sort of street fight combative thing, that's not where he wants to be. i was talking to martin bashir before the show. he doesn't want to do that, and his entire life is wrapped around that, about not being combative in that way. he doesn't want to do that. that's his entire life wrapped around that. i mean, i also saw, you know, a guy who is leading....
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joe biden hearts barack obama. we will no doubt see evidence of that bromance unfold thursday night. on the other hand, mitt romney's put paul ryan in the position where he has to defend statements like this. >> . >> so it feels like passionate romance and a marriage of convenience here between these two. is that the key thing that a vp has to be is basically champion for his principal? is that what people are looking for in the vp debate? >> unless the vp think they don't have much of a shot. in which case he has to think ahead to the next election cycle. it's clear to me what's what paul ryan is doing. so he should be. >> the interesting thing here, way back when they put ryan on the ticket, i thought i understood why. i thought the calculation was romney looked and said all summer long, i've been behind. this isn't budging. i need something dramatic here. i i'm going to run on the paul ryan plan. maybe it's translated as courageous and bold. they put ryan on the ticket and panicked and said wait a minute. we can
joe biden hearts barack obama. we will no doubt see evidence of that bromance unfold thursday night. on the other hand, mitt romney's put paul ryan in the position where he has to defend statements like this. >> . >> so it feels like passionate romance and a marriage of convenience here between these two. is that the key thing that a vp has to be is basically champion for his principal? is that what people are looking for in the vp debate? >> unless the vp think they don't...
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people assume that obama will be better. so that may mean he doesn't have to do as well as all that to surprise people and say this guy is really up to the job. but the pressure is really on romney to change the direction of this race and to, you know, let people know it's not necessarily over. that can be done in various debates. but this first one is going to form the most impressions. >> john harwood says only twice have these televised debates seemed to shift the outcome of the race. in 2004 george w. bush went up against al gore. in gore's case, a strategist thought he lost that debate in the spin room. so i wonder, matt, how much of this is decided by what the candidates actually say? and how much by the pundits the day after? >> i give the american people some credit. i think they can listen and watch. and most evidence has shown that people start paying attention maybe around the conventions. they pay a lot of attention in the debates as well. what romney has to do is to get people who don't think obama has earned a
people assume that obama will be better. so that may mean he doesn't have to do as well as all that to surprise people and say this guy is really up to the job. but the pressure is really on romney to change the direction of this race and to, you know, let people know it's not necessarily over. that can be done in various debates. but this first one is going to form the most impressions. >> john harwood says only twice have these televised debates seemed to shift the outcome of the race....
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the obama campaign knows it. and i think you're going to -- i'll be curious to see tonight, who says the words -- the number "47" more. president obama or mitt romney in defending himself, if you will. who's saying 100% more, which has been the romney line on this. so ultimately, i feel like that is the sort of stylistic substance, if you will combine it, if you will, that i'm watching tonight and seeing how romney does this. >> chuck, in terms of how much that 47% remark hurt mr. romney, i think part of the reason that it hurt so badly is because it dovetailed with the personal attributes of mr. romney in terms of him being a really wealthy guy. the questions about his own tax status and things like that. the question of how much his tax plans will help wealthy people like himself. is there any sign that the romney campaign has come up with sort of an anecdote to their 47% prlem. a different way to explain that, other than the, what i think have been sort of weak responses to trying to explain it away over the l
the obama campaign knows it. and i think you're going to -- i'll be curious to see tonight, who says the words -- the number "47" more. president obama or mitt romney in defending himself, if you will. who's saying 100% more, which has been the romney line on this. so ultimately, i feel like that is the sort of stylistic substance, if you will combine it, if you will, that i'm watching tonight and seeing how romney does this. >> chuck, in terms of how much that 47% remark hurt...
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obama angry and describing him as having an accent. it's not subtle but i'm sure they think it's great politics. so tonight has been an unsettled big night. tomorrow night is going to make tomorrow look like a traffic camera on a desert highway. i'll be here in new york. chris matthews will be in denver.
obama angry and describing him as having an accent. it's not subtle but i'm sure they think it's great politics. so tonight has been an unsettled big night. tomorrow night is going to make tomorrow look like a traffic camera on a desert highway. i'll be here in new york. chris matthews will be in denver.
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the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on the campaign. >> no president, no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. when president barack obama took office, the economy was in free fall, it had just shrunk. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the are we doing better today? the answer is yes. >> and we should say, we are actually back now to where we were when obama got in office. but do you think bill clinton is right there? did obama do all that could have been done? >> well, i think he did all that could have been done that the congress would let him do. with hind sight, the stimulus package should have been bigger, but at the time it was put together, there were two things that were constraining it. one was we didn't know how bad the economy was at that moment. it was still getting worse. but nobody knew how much worse it was getting. and the other was sort of sticker shock. it was a big number and the congress wasn't prepared
the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on the campaign. >> no president, no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. when president barack obama took office, the economy was in free fall, it had just shrunk. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the are we doing better today? the answer is yes. >> and we should say, we are actually...
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president obama has no public events today. he will head to california tomorrow, where he is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these stories throughout the next two hours. >>> the campaign focus shifts a bit next week to the vice presidential nominees. paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate next thursday night. paul ryan has just left his four-day debate camp. he is heading back to wisconsin for a fund-raiser tonight. and as for the vice president, we check in with msnbc news campaign embed carrie dan. she's embedded with vice president joe biden's team. carrie, vice president biden's schedule shows him to be in wilmington, delaware, right now, and for the next few days. what is planned for him? >> that's right, milissa. he's going to be doing his own debate camp there, up until a day before the debate. he's spending time with chris van
president obama has no public events today. he will head to california tomorrow, where he is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these stories throughout the next two hours. >>> the campaign focus shifts a bit next week to the vice presidential nominees. paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate next...
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it's enough that i'm not barack obama. it's enough that i'm a business guy who is running for president and people should just vote for me because they have no reason to like obama. if he goes in with that attitude, i frankly think that's a loser. i think he has to go in and talk about the future and if he's going to talk about the future and what kind of country he wants us to have, he's got to be specific about these concrete issues. what are you going to do with medicare? >> hold on for one second, though, obama has not laid out a specific plan. obama has put out a cap for medicare, but he hasn't said do you want to raise the eligibility age that you talked about with john boehner. we can assume he will, but he hasn't said so. >> he has a specific plan for medicare, you may say it's not enough, not going to work, but he has a specific plan for medicare involving this thing called the ipad and a lot of things we're not going to get into. >> no, that's not the totality of his plan. he said he's going to do more but he has
it's enough that i'm not barack obama. it's enough that i'm a business guy who is running for president and people should just vote for me because they have no reason to like obama. if he goes in with that attitude, i frankly think that's a loser. i think he has to go in and talk about the future and if he's going to talk about the future and what kind of country he wants us to have, he's got to be specific about these concrete issues. what are you going to do with medicare? >> hold on...
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>> president obama. >> you have a question for who? >> for mitt romney, are you a robot and, if so, where is your on/off switch so we can switch you off. >> question for who? >> i do not have a question. >> are you going to vote to this year? >> yes, i am going to vote. >> for mitt romney, what loopholes -- >> that's my question, too. >> for president obama, how do you plan on closing the deficit. >> how does the bomb in syria change the policies in the foreign east. >> what? >> turkey and syria, just he is ask lated the syrian conflict. >> what side of the fence are you on? >> i don't have a dog in the race yet. i'm just curious on what the policy will be. >> you're not turkish are you? >> no. >> i've been in health care for 37 years as a provider and i am completely 100% for the affordable health care act. thank you president obama. >> i just want to know what we're going to do about the student's act. >> what percentage do you pay in interest? >> well, mine's a government debt. i don't have any private debt. >> i paid 3% in college.
>> president obama. >> you have a question for who? >> for mitt romney, are you a robot and, if so, where is your on/off switch so we can switch you off. >> question for who? >> i do not have a question. >> are you going to vote to this year? >> yes, i am going to vote. >> for mitt romney, what loopholes -- >> that's my question, too. >> for president obama, how do you plan on closing the deficit. >> how does the bomb in syria...
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the press too that obama will win. so maybe nothing short of a clear win can be a little problematic for them. >> let's consider what some conservatives are saying. let's start with bill crystal and what he had to say about the debate. >> every liberal professor i read or her advice is to be likable. you have to take care of your likability. forget it. it's too late for that. they both did well, it was so nice to have a respectful debate. they all got along. that's over. he's got to get under president obama's skin and really clarify the choice ahead. >> so karen finney, forget about being likable. don't try to get gentlemenly compliments after the debate. just go after the present as hard as you can. >> clearly bill crystal thinks that is not a winning proposition for governor romney am i do think that romney needs to be relatable, and em pathetic which so far has been very difficult for him. he needs to not come off as i'm up here and you're the 47%, you silly people, the way he can at times. and he probably needs to
the press too that obama will win. so maybe nothing short of a clear win can be a little problematic for them. >> let's consider what some conservatives are saying. let's start with bill crystal and what he had to say about the debate. >> every liberal professor i read or her advice is to be likable. you have to take care of your likability. forget it. it's too late for that. they both did well, it was so nice to have a respectful debate. they all got along. that's over. he's got to...
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what should obama get with 7.8%? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody is pooh-poohing it and, oh, geez. i know why jack welch is scared, that number is too damn close to reagan's number. >> i think how this works with the president's narrative is that we're moving in the right direction, don't change -- you know, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that demonstrably didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that he can legitimately tie to mitt romney. he had a narrative that said the economy is moving in the right direction, and i think this job report actually strengthens that narrative. and much more than levels of variables like the level of the employment rate, it's momentum that i think forms voters' views on the economy. >> i think it was interesting that jack let out that last night he tweeted, i didn't know this, he had tweeted 7.9% was his prediction. that is not exactly a wide deviation from what he thought it was going to be. i would just say this now, i have tremendous
what should obama get with 7.8%? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody is pooh-poohing it and, oh, geez. i know why jack welch is scared, that number is too damn close to reagan's number. >> i think how this works with the president's narrative is that we're moving in the right direction, don't change -- you know, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that demonstrably didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that he can legitimately tie to mitt romney....
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it won't be near 5 trillion. >> obama's plan? $4,000 more in taxes on the middle class, we can't afford four more years. >>> from the obama campaign, an ad targeting mitt romney's plan, and calling it just an act. >> why was romney so dishonest about his plan? the massive new tax cut for millionaires means higher tax cuts for the middle class, and aarp says romney's plan undermines medicare by turning it into a voucher. we have real challenges to meet. children to educate, a class to rebuild. >> one more note within this past hour, the president left on a two-day campaign swing through california, on a campaign effort, how else do you think they pay for those ads? >> hey, you don't miss much, do you, alex? >> talking about the unemployment number, we also saw a strong debate, still about the debate. >> well, you know it is a good thing for the president's supporters and they're looking forward to it. he gets two more bites of the apple, when vp paul ryan goes up against joe biden, and candidates have less and less tried to paint
it won't be near 5 trillion. >> obama's plan? $4,000 more in taxes on the middle class, we can't afford four more years. >>> from the obama campaign, an ad targeting mitt romney's plan, and calling it just an act. >> why was romney so dishonest about his plan? the massive new tax cut for millionaires means higher tax cuts for the middle class, and aarp says romney's plan undermines medicare by turning it into a voucher. we have real challenges to meet. children to educate,...
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to vote for president obama, anyway. and i think actually it's probably going to go away fairly quickly just because the romney campaign doesn't want to really touch this. >> the fact that he has to talking about mitt romney has to drop his line about the 8 plus percent from his campaign speeches, how much does that hurt him? >> as i said, he's been saying 8%. the president has been promising 8%. he hasn't delivered. that's one of the main attacks governor romney has been using, he's been bringing up that number repeatedly on the campaign trail. yesterday what you saw was the governor sort of switched and talking about 11% number which is the number if everybody was still looking -- the amount of people still looking for jobs from 2008 were looking now it would would be 11. he's going to say we haven't done enough. president obama acknowledged that in his remarks saying what we've been doing month after month, we're making headway, adding jobs each month but we haven't done enough. >> susan, back to wednesday night here.
to vote for president obama, anyway. and i think actually it's probably going to go away fairly quickly just because the romney campaign doesn't want to really touch this. >> the fact that he has to talking about mitt romney has to drop his line about the 8 plus percent from his campaign speeches, how much does that hurt him? >> as i said, he's been saying 8%. the president has been promising 8%. he hasn't delivered. that's one of the main attacks governor romney has been using,...
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where was obama tonight? he should watch -- well not just "hardball", rachel, he should watch you, the reverend al, lawrence, there's a hot debate going on in this country, here on this network is where we're having the debate. we have our knives out we go after the people and the facts. what was he doing tonight? he went in there disarmed. he was wait an hour and a half, i think i can get through this thing. where as romney. i loved the split screen, staring at obama, addressing him. he did it just right. i'm coming at an incumbent. i've got to beat him. and i don't care what this guy moderator whatever he think he ises because i'm going to ignore him. what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning tonight. that's my thought. >> you give him five more of these nights, forget it. >> it puts the pressure on the president. >> obama should wash msnbc. he will learn something every night. this stuff we're watching, this is like first grade to most of us. we know all of this stuff. >> i was in front of a
where was obama tonight? he should watch -- well not just "hardball", rachel, he should watch you, the reverend al, lawrence, there's a hot debate going on in this country, here on this network is where we're having the debate. we have our knives out we go after the people and the facts. what was he doing tonight? he went in there disarmed. he was wait an hour and a half, i think i can get through this thing. where as romney. i loved the split screen, staring at obama, addressing him....
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barack obama. it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, outdebated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him. and people say, well, why can't he -- at some point you just have to say, because he doesn't have his -- i mean, a great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but it's true. i still believe it's the professor. >> how can you be president of the united states, mark halperin, and, i mean, and not have these basic answers? >> well, it's more than i think the format than not having the answers. he spent a lot of the evening going after mitt romney for things that he thinks he can win the election on like taxes and medicare. it wasn't like he never responded to it. >> but isn't the format in washington is that you get in a room with someone and you go at it and you try and figure it out? >> that's what we're as
barack obama. it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, outdebated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him. and people say, well, why can't he -- at some point you just have to say, because he doesn't have his -- i mean, a great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but it's true. i still believe it's...
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do you think paul ryan talking about president obama's foreign policy will move people from obama to romney? >> i'm not -- i don't think paul ryan, it matters very much. but i do twhink have a sequence of things that are going to happen here and these ling up the first two things. mitt romney has a paramount goal. he must get past the debate and still have life in this campaign. if he can get through the first debate and convince republicans hi he's still in the race, not abandon him as a lost cause, have a sense that he's still in the game, he then has some options how to spend the last 35 days of the campaign. on foreign policy, the economy, prosecuting the president. this all dpebepends on wednesda night. if he walks out with the world cob cluned that this race is over, the conservatives, the money, you're bob dole, we're going to vote on the house and senate. he's got to get past that first. >>> just before the two candidates scare off in the debate. abc news poll, 49% of likely voters say they would vote for president obama and 47% say they would vote for mitt romney. those numb
do you think paul ryan talking about president obama's foreign policy will move people from obama to romney? >> i'm not -- i don't think paul ryan, it matters very much. but i do twhink have a sequence of things that are going to happen here and these ling up the first two things. mitt romney has a paramount goal. he must get past the debate and still have life in this campaign. if he can get through the first debate and convince republicans hi he's still in the race, not abandon him as a...
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obama would be like. but significantly and for the first time, he didn't merely criticize the obama record. mr. romney went further and explained with some specificity how his policies would improve the lives and economic prospects for middle-class americans. the president seemed off his game overall, verbose as he often is, but with his famous restraint seeming more difficult than cool as mr. romney bore in with details about his record. it's clear mr. obama isn't used to someone challenging the attack lines that he uses to describe mr. romney's various proposals on the stump." and again, where was the 47%? where was it? he just didn't go there? >> that's the great mystery. >> the thing that's true in both these editorials that i do think one of the president's failures here was not just the stylistic failure, was a substantive failure. mitt romney made a lot of claims last night. he said a lot of things we've never heard from him before. he tried to claim he doesn't want to cut a $5 trillion tax cut. he
obama would be like. but significantly and for the first time, he didn't merely criticize the obama record. mr. romney went further and explained with some specificity how his policies would improve the lives and economic prospects for middle-class americans. the president seemed off his game overall, verbose as he often is, but with his famous restraint seeming more difficult than cool as mr. romney bore in with details about his record. it's clear mr. obama isn't used to someone challenging...